At first, they're just simply TTAE. Kyon wanted to meet time travelers, aliens and Espers. Note the capital S; he is either trying to get Kyon to admit his role, or at least desconstruct the “rules” of Kyon’s creation. Therefore, Haruhi and Kyon almost share this God-like power. The whole closed spaces thing basically ensures that Kyon makes Haruhi happy, therefore making sure Haruhi stays interested in Kyon or at least doesn’t go into depression again. 10- Asakura Ryoko tried to kill Kyon, but Nagato saved him, because he’s essencial (And i can’t explain why). In the novels, Kyon commented that Itsuki's playing a role in, Nagato the Alien, on the other hand, believes in Kyon's given reality and in Kyon the Character so much that Kyon the god feels really, really guilty about it. There may goes some spoilers but worth of it. And Koizumi represents his repressed bisexuality. The biggest thing about whether or not Kyon is God is that Kyon is pretty much told he is the only one that has control over Haruhi. Maybe Kyon is God, he knows that and is even more Unreliable Narrator than we thought. So he obviously must have transferred it to her. It is not. She didn’t even notice it until Kyon pointed it out. After the filming, Kyon and Haruhi remain at the club room overnight to do the editing. This also follows the theory that it's not Haruhi who created, Personally, I feel that either which way, one of the most interesting aspects of Kyon is that despite having friends who all to some degree are godlike in their powers (either because of their powers in themselves, or the influence they wield), Kyon always holds the position of an. Keep in mind that Kyon wanted to believe in aliens, espers, and time travel back in high school, but gave it up to turn "normal" — which would be placed at around... 3 years before the series started. Chances are pretty good he's making things up as he goes along (tough to find a JMS who has actually thought things through). And Haruhi is placed under a mental block that keeps her from putting simple facts together that are happening before her very eyes. She messed up the world somehow, maybe going on a power trip, leaving just her and Kyon. Kyon and Haruhi were intentionally designed by the author to fit the archetypes in the Tanabata myth. In the fourth novel, upon Nagato getting the power to rewrite reality, she does so in accordance to what Kyon the Character has stated he wants it to be; that is, “normal.” He had to “break his own personal moral code” and gently tell her the truth; he wants things to be crazy. Also of note is that all 3 girls in the SOS brigade are all very physically attractive(Yes Nagato seems to also rev Kyon up, just read ch.12 of the manga to see that), and that Kyon gets to individually spend time with all of them. Keep in mind that EVERYTHING on here is not written by me, Hiroshi, but on this site here. I even reached a point where I only had a sense of nostalgia for those things. There are many different views on the divinity of Haruhi, or how to properly worship her. If you look at it from the point of view that the reason the summer loops is because God does not want to go back to school with homework not done makes far more sense. This troper thinks that rather than being God himself and bestowing powers on others, Kyon is the ultimate quantum observer, and Haruhi's powers only work because he is there to observe them. Kyon acts through Haruhi because although he himself has trouble believing in the existence of aliens time travellers and espers, he can believe in Haruhi who believes and enables them. God in a Box can’t work now, since that is a Human construct. Sasaki, whose Closed Space has absolutely nothing special, represents Vishnu, whose role in creation is Preservation. So Haruhi keeps Kyon from making the world stagnant and dull, while Kyon keeps Haruhi from randomly reshaping it to suit her whims every other week. No. Who says the world was created three years ago, much less by Haruhi? 3- After meeting Nagato, Mikuru, and Koizumi.. they explained about the problem of Suzumiya Haruhi and exploitable data here. 1- Theory of relativity, many concepts scientists.. quantum physics. Note the capital S; he is either trying to get Kyon to admit his role, or at least deconstruct the "rules" of Kyon's creation. KYON Veterinary Surgical Products 480 William F. McClellan HWY, ste 202 Boston, MA 02128, USA +1 617 567 2436 firstname.lastname@example.org Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Her behavior was considered eccentric, and she had little interest in her classmates, at least until Kyon "convinced" her to form the SOS Brigade. That makes just as much sense as any other explanation for Volume 9... To really take things to the WMG extreme, perhaps the apparent lack of a volume 10 (and the fact that volume 9 ends abruptly in the middle of the story) is because he decided the entire story was stupid and therefore stopped writing it. So neither reality warper candidate gets everything they wished for; OTOH, the intersection of their wish-sets — the three things both wished for — does come true. Ending this, Kyon is a god indeed and he is unknown about his powers, believing in Haruhi.. Yup I think Kyonism works too and heres WHY It still wouldn’t explain how he can be god when another person created the world (and him) 3 years ago. Well there you go. Kyon's power does not overlap with the goddesses. To see who is right Kunikida grants god-like reality warping power to the biggest jerkass Taniguchi can find (Haruhi) and Kunikida picks Kyon (the only one made immune to Haruhi's powers) as his champion to save Mikuru and the world from Haruhi, proving that there is at least one good person left in sodom. Indeed, Nagato even points this out to Kyon - the only reason he "knows" what he knows is because he believed what they had told him but, as she herself points out, none of them have proven anything. (This could explain about the huge time quake, and something happened there, unexplainable). Haruhi is either an aspect of his personality, or a convenient person to work his power through. Koizumi said one time: “Kyon doesn’t got any powers”, but that’s a lie, Kyon believe in himself as a Human like his friends Taniguchi, Kunikida … and everything with the laws of physics. In “The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina” he implies that Kyon, while unable to affect anything, is the key to bring about change. He says he doesn’t, but inwardly, these are his thoughts. Especially if you think about the type of person who would read this, a person who wants Espers, Aliens, and Time Travelers to be real, but has probably lost all hope for it happening in reality. Actually, he says he wished to meet the big three, plus ghosts, demons, and evil organizations (and the heroes who fight them). He had to "break his own personal moral code" and gently tell her the truth; he wants things to be crazy. This troper feels that these particularities are examples of tropes common across the entire anime genre, and more an example of the Japanese cultural treatment of gender roles in media than likely to be indicative of Kyon fearing strength or independence of women. So my theory is that Kyon is God and he subconsciously projected his desires and the personality he wanted onto Haruhi and Sasaki. That Haruhi couldn’t have had powers back then – Then it would basically have to be Kyon from the “present” timeline who visited her and helped her with that sign thingy. But when Haruhi's powers cause an irrevocable change to Kyon and his body, it was Koizumi who was there for Kyon in a way no one else has. Kyon said the same, despite in his heart Kyon would like to live his adventures with someone. Authors are infamous for, Well... maybe they're both gods? Kyon introduces himself as the overly rational person and Haruhi as the crazy girl and then Itsuki points out again and again how the rational universe does not match to Haruhi's nature while at the same time Kyon curses himself for being so straitlaced. This troper thinks that rather than being God himself and bestowing powers on others, Kyon is the ultimate quantum observer, and Haruhi’s powers only work because he is there to observe them. The reason that time before then is locked is because now that it is locked Kyon will definitely meet Haruhi in high school. KYON AG Hardturmstrasse 103 8005 Zürich, Switzerland +41 43 204 13 13 email@example.com. I'd like to point out something interesting from the first light novel: in the very beginning of the book, Kyon speculates on what kind of character he would be in plots that sound like generic shounen. To add onto the possibility of Kyon and Haruhi, look at how we come to know the other members. His mom is written out as practically a non-entity. Haruhi said: I would like something to happen right now!… Kyon: Better not. For be true Kyon was going to sleep, but first before sleeping he started reading the book given by Nagato. Remember when he said that … Cause depressed freinds/lovers are really boring, RIGHT? Haruhi may have the God’s magical powers, but Kyon has either the far-reaching knowledge or the will of God. trapped in an endless summer it only ends when Kyon does his homework. sexually molesting Mikuru, going on adventures and generally doing whatever she wants). Think about it. 1- Kyon believed once one time about Espers, UFOs, Aliens, time-travelers. The A and B stories in Volume 9 could be due to Kyon himself being momentarily unable to decide how that story should end, so he leaves his options open. In the fourth novel, upon Nagato getting the power to rewrite reality, she does so in accordance to what Kyon the Character has stated he wants it to be; that is, "normal." (This is self-contradictory.). The last Scene of S2 Episode 24. It’s not very suspicious when Kyon outright told Haruhi who was what after they got back from being, This troper has a specific spin on it. Suddenly he’s interacting with EA&TT every single day, he’s going on crazy adventures, and he’s got a cute assertive girl driving said adventures that embodies his own drive for fantastic adventures — as well as his own childish innocence. When the series just began, he was giving up on his dreams of encountering aliens, espers and such, and if he is a real god, then the act of giving up on these things would probably make them disappear, but Haruhi intervened and changed things. Kyon has never trusted Koizumi Itsuki and never had a reason not to. Kyon, who had a totally normal SOS brigade) and a fictional narrator (Novel" Kyon, with the supernatural SOS Brigade). sexually molesting Mikuru, going on adventures and generally doing whatever she wants). TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. That's why the Kyon of this timeline is a normal human being but the story seems to fit his childhood dreams and he has such an important role - Kyon choosing an "interesting world" over a normal one where he could still have ordinary adventures with the SOS brigade isn't new. Here it is but it’s pretty long. The M. of H. S. is an awesome series and I sincerely hope that the author finally gets to work and finishes the series cause I have been waiting so long for the authors conclusion. 13- Endless Eight, as you said. Or possibly the two of them are making worse a war in Kyon's own mind over the subject. But it is noteworthy that none can be trusted - we cannot assume that any of their words are true. Thus, he endowed Haruhi with divine powers. Besides, the Data Entity or rather Yuki said they found that godlike power in Haruhi! weren't real ? That's why when everyone was suspiciously appropriately cast in the amateur movie, he was the cameraman. Cioa. Haruhi's powers were a predeterminated event all along. This would also explain how the weird piece of metal that Kyon found (that the Time Travelers asked him to hide from Haruhi) has been, Not only that, but Kyon has also Observed the Founder of, "Suspiciously appropriate"? However, Asakura later decides to try and kill Kyon with a combat knife in the hopes of catalyzing an observable reaction from Haruhi. His subconcious engineering of the meeting with Haruhi could have caused the huge “time quake” that Mikuru is talking about. As a result of this event, time-travel beyond that point had become impossible. Maybe Kyon is God, he knows that and is even more of an, This troper thinks that the reason Kyon was unaffected in Disappearance, was not because he was chosen, but because he was god. All this troper has to say on the matter is this: The Unreliable Author has been screwing around with us from the beginning Chris Carter style. Haruhi, after all, is the central female character and main love interest. And while Haruhi would erase reality over spilled milk if left to her own devices, Kyon keeps her from doing so. This troper had the exact same idea, and is really glad someone else did, too. the reason for the loop was because Haruhi had wanted to visit Kyon's house during the summer vacation and used Kyon's declaration of his unfinished homework as an excuse to have a 'study group' at his place. In "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina" he implies that Kyon, while unable to affect anything, is the key to bring about change. Actually Haruhi gets her deal of character development in the series too. (The latter created a problem when she met Haruhi Suzumiyain year 1, causing Haruhi to feel jealous.) Even if it were true without any other base reason, in a very real way it. Of course, God!Kyon is still watching over them and was there to make sure that Mortal!Kyon was unaffected by the reality rewriting 3 years ago and during Disappearance. Kyon was a god in his original world, but he stopped believing in the supernatural, his world became utterly mundane, and he grew bored so he subconsciously looked out into the multiverse and saw Haruhi's universe, he went to the universe thus becoming Haruhi's slider, he still has an innate ability to warp reality but Haruhi has priority as it is her universe, the subconscious warping of reality causes … Note Kyon's phrasing during the climactic moment: "My summer can't be over until I finish it!" I mean, Koizumi is risking his life in the closed spaces, Nagato is like a disposable doll to the Integrated Data Entity thing, and Mikuru can be trapped in time at ANY time. And in "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" he points out that in chess, the queen has all the power and incorrectly states the king has no value, where Kyon is the seemingly valueless king. !, what about Nagato, Koizumi..). No last name, he’s always just ‘Kyon’. They both fall asleep, but awake the next day to find the movie has been completed. Because of this Kyon has to get help from everyone in order to finish his homework in the one day he has left. Indeed, things always seem to work out for the better for Kyon. Afterward, she became more mentally stable a… She didn't even notice it until Kyon pointed it out. Some evidence I came up with to support this theory after reading it: the mole on Mikuru’s breast. He even subconsciously knows he’s done something wrong to Yuki and wants to make it up to her, before she tells him what she’s been doing for 600 years. According to “Itsuki Koizumi”, Haruhi “chose” Kyon, though the meaning of this has not been clarified to the reader, but the general idea is that Kyon is the only one that Haruhi would want to have with her if a new dimension was made. Together, they are the perfect God. He wants to meet Espers, Aliens, and Time Travelers, and, subconsciously, wants to meet other people who are interested in the same things. I also like to subscribe to the "Kyon is the actual God" theory. No one even knows his real name, which is a running gag. That's brilliant! For example, he outwardly presents himself as a skeptic, always arguing in favor of the most mundane possibility in any situation, and claiming that Haruhi forced him to join the SOS Brigade, but confesses in the opening narration of The … Remember when he said that he found out that aliens, Santa Claus, etc. (This is self-contradictory again). Unless the reason for the loop was because Haruhi had wanted to visit Kyon’s house during the summer vacation and used Kyon’s declaration of his unfinished homework as an excuse to have a ‘study group’ at his place. So according to that logic, represents Brahma, whose role is Creation. Mikuru is actually a time traveler, sent back to investigate a massive timequake that occurred three years prior, the cause of which is Kyon. Kyon had not done his homework. before she tells him what she's been doing for 600 years, fact that Kyon must be in his position for the story to take place, (saying "while" is swinging it a bit here), Although all of this can be chalked up to the, This is actually supported by the introduction of eccentric yet sane, Why would Kyon do this? The god’s powers are manifestations of the subconscious expectations or desires of the god, therefore if Kyon, as a god, travelled back in time with the subconscious expectation that Haruhi had godlike powers, that would cause Haruhi to become god upon his arrival ‘three years ago’, thus creating a situation where Haruhi has godlike powers so Itsuki can tell Kyon that she is god, thus giving him his subconscious expectation that causes her to gain the powers in the first place and oh dear I’ve gone cross-eyed…. That is just a “theory” by someone who has been called untrustworthy by the other two members of the cast. Haruhi is a bright, energetic and athletic high-school student. Why would a godlike being need a quantum observer, let alone confine this requisite to a single individual? It plainly sucks doing nothing on your last day of vacation. Haruhi wanted to meet time travelers, aliens, Espers and Sliders. But wouldn’t that create a paradox if he transferred his powers to her? Well if Kyon is GOD subconciously of course he doesn’t want his fun ruined because the superpowered people that he wanted got wind of him and now treat him special, when in reality he just wants to be a backroom viewer who gets as much action as is reasonably safe. Or is it unlucky that she doesn't know when she might end the world because of becoming angry? And said people tend to fit some kind of sci-fi role (Mikuru with her superior being an older version of herself, Yuki with an alien computer using Clarke's Law, and Itsuki having a shadowy organization). It doesn’t even need to be a definite finishing task. Or maybe Kyon gave Haruhi power to overcome the effect Sasaki had on Kyon. (This could explain everything, forget about Haruhi creating an alternate reality, maybe Kyon did it at all.. because he readed Nagato’s book before sleep.). But Haruhi did not know that Kyon had not done his homework. Although I don't have absolute proof, it seems as though Haruhi rarely acts normally unless Kyon feels some strong emotion. Kyon convinces Haruhi to add a disclaimer over the credits saying it is a work of fiction. This could be because she is Kyon’s subconscious desires (e.g. Last point, Sasaki and Fujiwara both seem to think that Kyon can help them with transferring haruhi’s God powers to Sasaki, AND Sasaki apparently has some of the power that Haruhi has. It certainly is more subtle than what Yuki gets, for example, but this troper was amazed to realize that Haruhi in Snow Mountain Syndrome is in fact quite different girl than Haruhi in The Melancholy. So, now you must design or construct something that has your stamp on it. The fact that she's extremely attractive and falling in love with him doesn't hurt, either. Please wait a few minutes and refresh this page. If Kyon is misogynistic and God, why would he create a world where women held power at all? 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